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 Index on Censorship Index on Censorship interview 3/2004 More Sinned Against Than Sinning  James Thackara Eighteen years ago, Mordechai Vanunu, an Israeli scientist 
              working at Dimona nuclear facility, revealed that Israel had an 
              atomic bomb project, a secret that had clouded US-Israeli relations 
              since the days of Kennedy and Ben Gurion, and might have involved 
              collusion between the countries, Vanunu was kidnapped in Italy, 
              returned to Israel and sentenced to 18 years’ imprisonment, 
              nearly 12 of which he spent in solitary confinement. In April this 
              year, James Thackara went to Israel for Index on Censorship 
              to greet Vanunu on his release from Ashkolon Prison. Ursula Owen 
              interviewed Thackara on his return. First of all, I was astonished that though the international press 
              was outside the gates of Ashkolon to cover the release of Vanunu, 
              not one interview, as far as I could see, devoted itself to any 
              heightened or visionary debate about the morality and the existence 
              of nuclear weapons in Israel or anywhere else.  Israelis call their position on nuclear weapons their ‘nuclear 
              ambiguity’. That ambiguity has legal significance, reflecting 
              in turn a moral riddle. A few years ago, the UN General Assembly 
              brought a case at the International Court of Justice in The Hague, 
              on the legality or otherwise of nuclear weapons. The Algerian president 
              of the court passed on it, saying, in effect: ‘Nuclear weapons 
              are legal in times of peace, illegal in times of war.’ In 
              some way, this reflected the concept of ambiguity. But in the case 
              of Israel, it also reflects the nature of the Holocaust State: the 
              Jewish people’s plight in the twentieth century and the nature 
              of the Jewish state in relation to all other states. It is a unique 
              state aware of its uniqueness; the rest of the world is also aware 
              of its uniqueness; and it deals with things in a unique way.  We have Israel saying it doesn’t have nuclear weapons, and 
              they could have anything from 150 to 400 warheads, some of them 
              thermonuclear; it also has three German submarines able to carry 
              cruise missiles. It’s a major world nuclear power. We invaded 
              Iraq for weapons that do not seem to exist (though they might have 
              been close to existence at once time). The Israelis have avoided 
              the kinds of inspections required by the Atomic Energy Agency by 
              staging vernissage inspections by the US. I think it has put both 
              countries in quite an awkward position.  When Truman became president in 1945, at the time of Potsdam, 
              he didn’t even know there was a BOMB so, when he was told, 
              he thought it was just a slightly larger bomb. He wasn’t particularly 
              distressed to go along with the Army’s powerful ambition to 
              drop the bomb. The business of secrecy is very dangerous in nuclear 
              weapons.  It’s important to remember that nuclear technology has gotten 
              way ahead of morality. However, simply to deny a secret project 
              belongs to the primitive stage of nuclear weapons, the 1940s and 
              1950s. We are moving out of that stage; and my comment at the moment 
              I met Mordechai Vanunu was that his release meant the necessary 
              end of it.  Nuclear weapons are very much a project of twentieth century ideologies; 
              ironically, the people building nuclear weapons often felt they 
              could bring peace to the world. In the early stages, when the US 
              and the USSR had primordial power over this project, it produced 
              a kind of “conversation” between Russians and Americans, 
              a peaceful conversation based on the assumption that since they 
              both had nuclear weapons and could incinerate each other and everybody 
              else, they weren’t going to do things in the usual way but 
              would use little countries around the world to fight proxy wars 
              for them. And that’s how they did it, all conducted with the 
              pawns and not the major pieces.  Now, more and more countries have nuclear weapons. And lo and 
              behold, this is very uncomfortable for those countries that thought 
              they had this power, because they were rather responsible; now other 
              people with religions that don’t agree with them, with racial 
              prejudices that aren’t in accord with them, don’t actually 
              accept everything the primordial groups tells them. So there is 
              now a kind of nuclear community, in which there is a discourse that 
              goes on within the nuclear establishment, which is a kind of alternative 
              government.  For Israel, the exclusiveness of what happened to the Jews in 
              the Holocaust is enshrined in their state. This exclusiveness, they 
              believe, allows them to do things that other states do not do. It 
              is at the root of why they have not joined the Atomic Energy Agency 
              and do not reveal their nuclear capability. They have great confidence 
              in their superior moral nature, and feel justified by the imperative 
              of survival. Israel feels it is surrounded by anti-Semitic, aggressive 
              people. For Ariel Sharon, this involves occupational thuggery that 
              has put Israel in the position of a neo-colonial country.  Vanunu’s abduction in 1986 came at a time of flux for Israel: 
              it was redefining itself, having a form of identity crisis. It had 
              occupied territories after the 1967 war and it gradually became 
              clear that the territories were not going to be returned. This produced 
              a moral dilemma for Israel as well as security issues on the ground. 
              The fact that Israel had a nuclear project was not at the forefront 
              if most Israeli anxieties, problems, and guilt. It was developing 
              its nuclear project and what was apparently a reactor project was 
              moving into a weapons project.  Vanunu initially took security oaths based on a research project; 
              he was not concerned about that. Gradually, however, he become aware 
              that he was being involved with major proliferation. He found himself 
              inside a human organisation - the world’s nuclear community. 
              He decided to take responsibility for what he was doing. This was 
              particularly poignant for him because he wasn’t a high-level 
              scientist and he is often insulted by those who claim he is not 
              important enough to be taken seriously. He decided he didn’t 
              want to be involved in this lie any longer and was gradually persuaded 
              that it was important for him to say something.   While we waited for Vanunu to come out of prison I was interviewed 
              by what I believe is the second largest paper in Israel, Ma’ariv. 
              The journalist became more and more interested, more and more sober. 
              At the end he turned to me and said: “I want to speak to you 
              personally. The Israel that Vanunu is coming out into is not the 
              Israel he went in from. I believe that Vanunu will be accepted and 
              admired by my generation of Israelis.” He made a personally 
              apology to me about what happened to Vanunu. The interview did not 
              get into the paper and, a few days later, they conducted a poll 
              asking Israelis what they thought should happen to Vanunu. One of 
              the options offered was “kill him”. Paranoia has produced 
              the most appalling kind of conservatism. And this plays into the 
              nuclear state aspect of Israel, because nucleonics is always totalitarian, 
              undemocratic and conservative. But the poll in Ha’aretz showed 
              something like 50 per cent wanted him released. 30 pere cent thought 
              he should be kept under house arrest and silenced, and maybe 20 
              per cent that he should go on being punished forever.  In a North London liberal synagogue, I heard a man who claimed 
              to have been at the Dimona project say: “Vanunu betrayed Judaism, 
              he converted to Christianity, he was a low level technician. He 
              betrayed his family, they denounced him. He betrayed the Jewish 
              state. He is no better than Adolf Eichmann. He should be executed.”  We are not going to have disarmament in our lifetime, or the lifetime 
              of our children, but in 100 years civilisation will evolve away 
              from nuclear weapons. Meanwhile the presence of nuclear weapons 
              in Israel is Israel’s greatest impetus to joining the community 
              of all the races and religions of the world as an equal - if it 
              admits they are there. I can’t say that to build instruments 
              that are portable gas chambers and weapons of extinction is a sign 
              that the human species is a sane species on the planet. However, 
              given the primitive state that humanity is in and has been in for 
              a long time, I would say that to have nuclear weapons is to assume 
              an enormous, aggravated responsibility. A few years ago, the Marshall 
              McLuhan Institute in Canada said that nuclear weapons were the great 
              teacher, and there should be a nuke in every marketplace. I would 
              say there is a moral content in nuclear weapons, because it involves 
              a conjunction of moral authority and powers of mass ecological destruction. 
              When God wanted to punish people in the Old Testament, He infested 
              the world with floods, plagues and violence. Nuclear weapons are 
              a plague and a flood - it is in fact the Old Testament God enshrined 
              in science.  In the post-Darwinian age, a large number of people say God doesn’t 
              exist, or God is dead. Even if they claim to believe in God, people 
              feel that they should be doing something to improve the planet. 
              If you take on nuclear weapons, in a sense you are saying, well, 
              God might have had virtue on his side but we have gone beyond God 
              now; man is responsible for everything. Every last ant on this planet 
              is in the realm of human responsibility. And this weapon is saying 
              to us, don’t let other people solve your problems, don’t 
              argue with your neighbour because you are not going to get anywhere 
              with him, because antithesis is going to produce Armageddon. For 
              God’s sake, get on with solving the problems of the world. 
              And here I would admonish the Israeli state: nuclear knowledge has 
              a sacred aspect to it. It is something that belongs to everybody 
              and when Klaus Fuchs gave away the secret of the implosion principle 
              to the Soviets, he did it because he felt tortured that nuclear 
              knowledge, which is larger than any nation or religion, was not 
              being shared - in this case with our ally, Russia.  An Israeli negotiator said - and Afif Safieh, a Christian representative 
              of the PLO, made similar comments - that in every negotiation with 
              the PLO the fact that Israel has a project is an appallingly disheartening 
              aspect of the discussion, because it is saying Israel is absolute. 
              And this creates a nuclear arms race in the Middle East: the Iranians, 
              the Iraqis, the Syrians - everybody - would like to have nukes so 
              they can sit at the negotiating table with the Israelis.  Nuclear weapons are dangerous things to have on your territory 
              because they not only give you a kind of sovereignty and immense 
              moral prestige if they are not abused, they also put you in a position 
              of having to defend your terrain that the nuclear project is on 
              because it is too dangerous to have it fall into anyone else’s 
              hands - Osama Bin Laden’s, for instance.  I think the release of Vanunu will force Israel to come clean. 
              It’s important that Vanunu walks as a free man on the planet, 
              is not assassinated, is not harassed, not muzzled. After being locked 
              away for 18 years, how could he have secrets dangerous to Israel 
              security? After 18 years quarantine, a head of Dimona would not 
              be likely to have up-to-date dangerous secrets - especially as Vanunu 
              put everything he knew in the public domain in 1986. Vanunu wants 
              to leave Israel, he’s said that in letters, he has been totally 
              open about it. He wants to go to Congress - to do what? It seems 
              that so great is the angst underlying US-Israeli relations that 
              the same people who use US tractors to trash the homes of unarmed 
              old women can’t find the courage to give this man the passport 
              he is guaranteed by Israeli law.  At the moment he’s living in an Anglican cathedral in Jerusalem, 
              quite close to the old city, to the Damascus gate. When I visited 
              him, there were heavily armed police at both ends of the road, presumably 
              to protect him. It would be a major international incident for Israel 
              if anything were to happen to him; they don’t want him dead. 
              There were conspicuous Shin Beit [Israeli secret service agents] 
              outside masquerading as reporters. To get in, I just had to hand 
              a slip of paper to an attendant of the church saying, “James, 
              Index on Censorship”. He came back five minutes late, the 
              gates were cleared, I was let in and we walked straight across the 
              cloister into the colonnade. He looked over his shoulder and then 
              said, “Now go left”. We hurried down the colonnade into 
              an austere cloister with a long monk’s table. And there, after 
              eighteen years, was Mordechai Vanunu sitting at the end of the table, 
              with one brother Asher on the other side and Meir, his other brother, 
              at the end. He rose to meet me - he’d been told by his brother 
              who I was - and we spoke for maybe half an hour. It was one of the 
              most beautiful things I’ve ever experienced. Because this 
              man was totally calm, totally gentle, totally unhostile, apparently 
              not angry, completely sane, witty and funny, and innocent. I put 
              the question: how did he stay sane? And he said that they would 
              question him regularly, he was under continual questioning because 
              they wanted to understand why he felt the way he did. As I understood 
              it, his reply was that he was able to preserve his sanity by something 
              I took to be akin to personal ideological discourse. He would spend 
              his whole time thinking about what they had said, what the implications 
              were, and replying to them. This mixture of Socratic discipline, 
              heavy exercise, these confrontations with his persecutors, but also 
              his interlocutors and his contact with humanity, was what preserved 
              his rational powers and kept him calm; probably even, I would imagine, 
              supplied him with a certain sense of humour in a situation that 
              was far from funny.  I would emphasise, and I don’t think Vanunu would argue 
              with me, that this man should not be seen as first and foremost 
              a human rights victim. It is a human rights case, but he had access 
              to certain newspapers, he was able to read, he asked his friends 
              to send him videos and films. This was not a man who was nailed 
              to a cross and hung in public view; this was a man who was kept 
              out of sight to guard a secret. I think it’s important to 
              see that this man is a censorship hero of a very particular kind. 
              This man was crucified in a modern way. He was quietly separated 
              from humanity and made a prisoner of the nuclear state, which would 
              not allow him to debate what every human being on the planet should 
              be debating. This is a particular kind of modern psychopathology; 
              it is insane; it reflects the psychotic state the human species 
              is in. James Thackara has had a long involvement 
              in nuclear issues and the Vanunu case, and is the author of America’s 
              Children (Chatto & Windus, 1984), a novel dealing with the Manhattan 
              Project and the fate of Robert Oppenheimer. Back to top ^ |